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UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

It's not a Casual Mission, it's an Elite Mission.

Ok. I could just say it's called Elite Mission, not Massive Grind Reward Mission. What is your point? Are you saying players who play casually with friends also can't be good at the game and "elite?"

Why is it called 'elite?' It sounds like you're assuming it's because you have to be "elite" to get there (even though that's not much of a factor). Is it possible that it's called "elite" because it's very difficult, and only elite players can manage it? That's what I would have thought.

Iskrah · May 04, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Ok. I could just say it's called Elite Mission, not Massive Grind Reward Mission. What is your point? Are you saying players who play casually with friends also can't be good at the game and "elite?"

Why is it called 'elite?' It sounds like you're assuming it's because you have to be "elite" to get there (even though that's not much of a factor). Is it possible that it's called "elite" because it's very difficult, and only elite players can manage it? That's what I would have thought.

True. And let me add something.

You can get an infinite amount of points with henchies being successful in repeatable quests giving them. It's all about who plays them the more often, not who's the best at it. Which is EXACTLY THE CONTRARY OF WHAT ANET ADVERTISES. Duh. Time over skill.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:10 PM // 23:10

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Originally Posted by Iskrah

Makes you feel Elite? Go buy a cologne or something. There is nothing elite in farming factions. Nothing. Being "elite" in PvE would be more like achieving really hard missions with a limited number of characters, or finding builds...

You don't need to grind to play there. There only needs to be one person in the alliance in order to let you into the mission, so yeah, go get some e-friends and go play some elite mission. I'm not even in an alliance and I found my way into a successful elite mission group easily. It DOES require you to be elite though to do well in the mission. It's not a mission of 100 mobs you have to kill, but includes things like puzzles, mazes, different situations, pulling, coordination, one-hit kill mobs, etc. It's for elite players, not casual players.

IRC explains my point:

[16:04:28] <[none]Thomas`> the pve 'babies' need to realise that they probably couldnt even do these missions if they did unlock them
[16:04:30] <[none]Thomas`> tbh :/
[16:04:40] <[none]Thomas`> then they would bitch that it's too hard

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

Did someone change the definition of "casual" to unskilled? Is that what the problem is? Why these people act like we're talking about skill level when we're talking about style of play?

Gli · May 04, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

IRC explains my point:

[16:04:28] <[none]Thomas`> the pve 'babies' need to realise that they probably couldnt even do these missions if they did unlock them
[16:04:30] <[none]Thomas`> tbh :/
[16:04:40] <[none]Thomas`> then they would bitch that it's too hard

That only explains that Thomas is an arrogant snob presuming to know things about people he knows nothing about.

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by Theos

A good point was made before, if the elite missions were easily attainable by everyone then whats the point of calling them elite? Its much like rare skins, if they were everywhere they wouldn't be rare. Do people complain because 99% of the populus does not have a crystaline sword? Everything is a question of vanity, elite missions are no different.

Or, you could say that an elite mission is one that's hard to complete without an eilite level of play. Seems like before the days of 55/SV teams the FoW/UW fit this description. Elite doesn't have to mean that you have to be an elite faction farmer unless we go by your definition.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:13 PM // 23:13

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Ok. I could just say it's called Elite Mission, not Massive Grind Reward Mission. What is your point? Are you saying players who play casually with friends also can't be good at the game and "elite?"

Why is it called 'elite?' It sounds like you're assuming it's because you have to be "elite" to get there (even though that's not much of a factor). Is it possible that it's called "elite" because it's very difficult, and only elite players can manage it? That's what I would have thought.

Like I said, you don't need to grind to play in it. The only groups I've played the Elite Mission with are groups without anyone who grinds faction at all, most of them are all successful PvP players. You don't need to grind to get in the Elite Missions.

It is called Elite because you have to be Elite to get past the first room, even. I said it's not called a Casual Mission because I don't feel casual players should necessarily play, because like Thomas said, then people would say that it's too hard, and complain even more about it. I like how it is now, in every sense.

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

It is called Elite because you have to be Elite to get past the first room, even. I said it's not called a Casual Mission because I don't feel casual players should necessarily play, because like Thomas said, then people would say that it's too hard, and complain even more about it. I like how it is now, in every sense.

Like I said, did someone change the definition of "casual" to unskilled? That is complete and baseless assumption on the part of you and this Thomas genius.

Nominal_Fee · May 04, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elite

What's all this whining about ? They are called ELITE mission, not "Every two-man noob guild member can enter" missions

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Did someone change the definition of "casual" to unskilled? Is that what the problem is? Why these people act like we're talking about skill level when we're talking about style of play?

I took Casual to mean a player that isn't necessarily unskilled, but inexperienced when it comes to the things required to get past the first room in the Elite mission.

Things like voice communication, the ability to create/function in a twelve man group, knowing how to pull, knowing when to flee, etc., are all vital to even getting past the first room. I don't think they should waste their time letting players who don't fit into this category into the mission, it'd be a waste of the players' times, at which point they would complain.

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

It's for elite players, not casual players.

Sadly, nothing that got you into this mission has proven you to be an elite player. You played through the game just like a casual player would only you did it in 2 days and not a week. (Probably by playing 14-16 hour marathon sessions.) Then you farmed faction like any casual player could go by doing quests or 12v12. All you really proved was that you were in a big guild that was in a big alliance. Not very elite, but very elitist sounding.

Theos · May 04, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Or, you could say that an elite mission is one that's hard to complete without an eilite level of play. Seems like before the days of 55/SV teams the FoW/UW fit this description. Elite doesn't have to mean that you have to be an elite faction farmer unless we go by your definition.

UW/FoW were never hard and beyond the mindblades the areas were rather easy given coordination. I see no reason to call them elite, they were simply harder than normal dungeons for the end-game. The elite missions are nothing like them, infact they dwarf them significantly.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Like I said, did someone change the definition of "casual" to unskilled? That is complete and baseless assumption on the part of you and this Thomas genius.

All reading requires assumptions, or to be more precise, inferences; it's part of how language works.

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Nominal_Fee

n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elite

What's all this whining about ? They are called ELITE mission, not "Every two-man noob guild member can enter" missions

See my reply to Derek. Nothing you've done to get into the mission via gameplay proves your elite. It just proves you can faction farm with a big group.

Pandora's box · May 04, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

It's not a Casual Mission, it's an Elite Mission.

Yep. and thats exactly whats wrong: Its not the elite/expert player thats makes the game, its the causual player that makes or breaks the game. Therefore content should primary adress causual players and be accessable for them at any time. For elite/expert players the honor of being the best should be enough...

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by Nominal_Fee

n. pl. elite or e·lites

1. A group or class of persons or a member of such a group or class, enjoying superior intellectual, social, or economic status: “In addition to notions of social equality there was much emphasis on the role of elites and of heroes within them” (Times Literary Supplement).
2. The best or most skilled members of a group: the football team's elite.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=elite

What's all this whining about ? They are called ELITE mission, not "Every two-man noob guild member can enter" missions

If you want to be very literal about it, how can a mission be "elite?" It's not a group of people.

Perhaps could they be called elite missions because you need to be elite to succeed? Why deny access to it? You don't have to be elite to get there. You have made no point.

MelechRic · May 04, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Theos

UW/FoW were never hard and beyond the mindblades the areas were rather easy given coordination. I see no reason to call them elite, they were simply harder than normal dungeons for the end-game. The elite missions are nothing like them, infact they dwarf them significantly.

Okay, so these new ones are hard to complete. Cool, I'll take your word for it. So what was so elite about you getting into them? You are elite if you complete them, but not elite by getting into them. You're just a member of a big guild and big alliance that farmed a lot of faction.

UndeadRoadkill · May 04, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

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Originally Posted by Derek Ravenclaw

All reading requires assumptions, or to be more precise, inferences; it's part of how language works.

Oh, it requires baseless assumptions, too? Shit, I've been doing reading wrong! I guess my reading is just not "elite" enough.

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Sadly, nothing that got you into this mission has proven you to be an elite player. You played through the game just like a casual player would only you did it in 2 days and not a week. (Probably by playing 14-16 hour marathon sessions.) Then you farmed faction like any casual player could go by doing quests or 12v12. All you really proved was that you were in a big guild that was in a big alliance. Not very elite, but very elitist sounding.

I didn't play through the game in 2 days. Just because I was at the House zu Heltzer doesn't mean I rushed through at all. The most I played in a row was probably 4 hours. I haven't even gotten a total of 10,000 faction for either faction. I'm not in a guild with an alliance. I like to say that I proved that I earned my way into the elite mission by being recognized as a competant player by the team that was organizing for the mission, and I think I further proved this by being on the team that made it most of the way through the mission, further than anyone else has gotten, so far. Obviously I proved something otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get a group for it. The only thing different about this and shitty, high-level HA PvP is that I don't need to flash /rank in order to get a group, which is good. I proved myself in other ways.

Also, did you read my other posts, or just that one?

Derek Ravenclaw · May 04, 2006, 11:23 PM // 23:23

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Originally Posted by UndeadRoadkill

Oh, it requires baseless assumptions, too? Shit, I've been doing reading wrong! I guess my reading is just not "elite" enough.

It's not baseless at all. I'd call my neighbor who only plays 1-2 hours a week, casual. Obviously, he's not going to be good enough to play Elite Missions.